california, a man was shot who was a christian, a little girl who was missed by a bullet in a mosque in texas. these are all on september 12th. my own mother-in-law who is an ob/gyn who delivered children on a small florida town, on september 12th her home was vandalized and she was refused service at the local walmart and had to move, quite frankly, to retire. so i think that many of us because it wasn't a headline don't realize the persecution that many muslims in america felt. when you talk about them speaking out, i totally agree, but they have. the problem is a lot of the media have not covered it, to be quite honest. they say we'll stage a march or have some kind of a press conference, and people won't show up -- [inaudible conversations] martha: leslie, i understand and appreciate your comments completely, but when you look at the material on this group, they are, there are triewpters within this group. i don't know if this group is the group you want to make the statement that the people who have been treated in the way you're talking about want to represent them. david, go ahead. >>